a few Q's for those in the know

steve09

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i've got a few questions for those in the know,
right, first of all, how difficult is it to change the fuel injectors and throttle body to uprated ones? does it require major taking apart of the engine?
what sort of work is required to change a camshaft to a fast road one?
and finally same as above for changing the pistons to a stroker set?

advanced thanks as i know i will get some kind of responce thats usful. :]
btw i dont know if this matters but its a 1999 mk1 focus 2L.
 
Looks like I'll have to write a few guides there. Changing the pistons and fitting a stroker kit requires specialist tools and skills so is a little beyond the at home DIYer.

Camshafts though are easy enough to change - if you can fit a cam belt properly then it should be a fairly easy job.

Injectors again are fairly easy to fit - you might actually get a manifold with the injectors in it and this would be a straight swap with just a few bolts and 1 low pressure gasket.

The throttle body is a very simple job it will replace the current one which is located along the air intake piping.
 
thanks waynne :]
is there much you can do to the engine of a car like fiddling with the fuel/air ratio to make it faster, changing the fuel injectors an throttle body. that sort of small thing.
also would you need to do anything with the engine managment if you fit bigger injectors/throttle body?
 
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Most cars use a closed loop and can adjust for small alterations in air/fuel mixes. Bigger changes may require further work.

With a Catalyst you cannot afford to run rich so the car will keep the fuel within tolerances so no you can't get more power by fiddling with the fuel/air ratio, petrol has an ideal ratio of 14:7.

Direct injection petrol engines can up the AFR to 40:1 on some jap lean burn models and 20:1 is about the best european direct injection petrol engine. ;)
 
ah i see... so it was prolly that my mates 19dturbo was running lean...or rich thats why the peformance increased when the garage changed the ratio.
 
The information here,

Is not quite correct.

For maximum power and transitional fuelling AFR's should be between about 12.5 and 13.2. (Individual engines vary a little).
Best AFR for lean cruise in a gasoline/petrol engine is around 15.5:1 AFR.

Only in normal driving & above closed loop enable temp, will the O2's command 14.7:1 (unless the car has a lean cruise mode).
As soon as some parameters are passed, i.e. when you go passed a certain TPS, or the RPM or MAP go above a certain value, the car then goes into Power Enrichment mode. Where AFR's are commanded from the PE table which are set by the factory (usually very rich above 4,500-5,000 as a cat protection feature).
Adjusting these AFR's can give you more power and better response.

http://sdsefi.com/techegt.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-fuel_ratio

Changing Throttle Bodies, doesn't always mean more power. IF the TB is a known restriction then there may be some logic to it. Though if the inlet mounting on the intake manifold is the same diameter as the o.e. TB i.e. you aren't going to gain anything by fitting for example a 55mm TB onto an intake that has a 50mm inlet it's not going to do you any favours! You now have a 2.5mm lip jutting into the airflow.

Just fitting a bigger TB, because bigger must be better isn't sufficient logic to get more hp. In a lot of cases they can lose you power and throttle response in the low and mid-range.

Going bigger on injectors needs careful research. Most o.e. injectors will flow adequate fuel for a mild up-grade and on OBD-2 cars the maf-sensor and O2 sensors will enable re-learn of fuel trims in the PCM/ECM.

If the duty cycle of the injectors goes above 80% though, now is the time for bigger injectors. In which case you need to know the flow rate at nominal system pressure and look for something suitable to replace the originals with.

This is one of the better sites for everything to do with F.Injectors:-

http://www.rceng.com/

Bear in mind though, if you change things like TB's, maf-sensors and injectors, the parameters in the PCM need adjusting or the engine will at the least throw a DTC or MIL or worse, will not start and run properly.

Choosing the right camshaft is a science. You have to know first what you want from the car and exactly what you are going to use it for.
Camshfts, cylinder head flow and Compression ratio are interlinked. You'll get the maximum gain when all three compliment each other.

If you wish to fit an aftermarket cam, you then need to talk with a good camshaft company. The term "fast-road" cam means nothing.
You should be aware of exactly what it is and the difference from an o.e. cam Also you should be given the amount of lift, total and 0.050" duration, LSA and valve timing along with valve overlap. All these things should come on a cam spec card. If you can't understand it try asking someone who does and can explain it to you. It's your engine, your money and your interest to know exactly what is what and how it will affect the drivability of the car. Seek professional tuner advice! Get more than one opinion!

As a suggestion try and find the actual specs of the o.e. cam first and then with help decide whether you need to either go for bigger lift (this would mean same basic rpm range but more power within it) or increased duration (moves the rpm range up higher, but has the consequence of losing you power down low). Or a combination of the two.

For general Tech understanding:-

http://www.geocities.com/zeener96/cams.htm

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/articles/hardcore/0606em_camshaft_specs/index.html

http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/techarticles/148_0505_camshaft_basics/index.html

For seeing the effect different camshafts have, as an example:-
http://www.compcams.com/technical/DynoSheets/

This shows different cams used in the same engine. The three numbers on each graph denote total or advertised duration. The 'H' after the 3 numbers means Hydraulic as in tappet or lifter.
The 'HR' denotes Hydraulic Roller (has more lift with same duration compared to 'H')
This is done on an engine dyno which will usually only pull from 2,000rpm or so. You are able to see how the power moves up the rpm axis as duration is increased, to a point where the engine dyno cannot pull the dyno from 2,000 it has to start higher (big loss of low-down power) but hp is increased much higher up.

For street engines you usually look for the maximum amount of torque from as early as possible and for as long as possible. :)
 
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The information here,

Is not quite correct.

For maximum power and transitional fuelling AFR's should be between about 12.5 and 13.2. (Individual engines vary a little).
Best AFR for lean cruise in a gasoline/petrol engine is around 15.5:1 AFR.

Only in normal driving & above closed loop enable temp, will the O2's command 14.7:1 (unless the car has a lean cruise mode).
As soon as some parameters are passed, i.e. when you go passed a certain TPS, or the RPM or MAP go above a certain value, the car then goes into Power Enrichment mode. Where AFR's are commanded from the PE table which are set by the factory (usually very rich above 4,500-5,000 as a cat protection feature).
Adjusting these AFR's can give you more power and better response.

http://sdsefi.com/techegt.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-fuel_ratio

Changing Throttle Bodies, doesn't always mean more power. IF the TB is a known restriction then there may be some logic to it. Though if the inlet mounting on the intake manifold is the same diameter as the o.e. TB i.e. you aren't going to gain anything by fitting for example a 55mm TB onto an intake that has a 50mm inlet it's not going to do you any favours! You now have a 2.5mm lip jutting into the airflow.

Just fitting a bigger TB, because bigger must be better isn't sufficient logic to get more hp. In a lot of cases they can lose you power and throttle response in the low and mid-range.

Going bigger on injectors needs careful research. Most o.e. injectors will flow adequate fuel for a mild up-grade and on OBD-2 cars the maf-sensor and O2 sensors will enable re-learn of fuel trims in the PCM/ECM.

If the duty cycle of the injectors goes above 80% though, now is the time for bigger injectors. In which case you need to know the flow rate at nominal system pressure and look for something suitable to replace the originals with.

This is one of the better sites for everything to do with F.Injectors:-

http://www.rceng.com/

Bear in mind though, if you change things like TB's, maf-sensors and injectors, the parameters in the PCM need adjusting or the engine will at the least throw a DTC or MIL or worse, will not start and run properly.

Choosing the right camshaft is a science. You have to know first what you want from the car and exactly what you are going to use it for.
Camshfts, cylinder head flow and Compression ratio are interlinked. You'll get the maximum gain when all three compliment each other.

If you wish to fit an aftermarket cam, you then need to talk with a good camshaft company. The term "fast-road" cam means nothing.
You should be aware of exactly what it is and the difference from an o.e. cam Also you should be given the amount of lift, total and 0.050" duration, LSA and valve timing along with valve overlap. All these things should come on a cam spec card. If you can't understand it try asking someone who does and can explain it to you. It's your engine, your money and your interest to know exactly what is what and how it will affect the drivability of the car. Seek professional tuner advice! Get more than one opinion!

As a suggestion try and find the actual specs of the o.e. cam first and then with help decide whether you need to either go for bigger lift (this would mean same basic rpm range but more power within it) or increased duration (moves the rpm range up higher, but has the consequence of losing you power down low). Or a combination of the two.

For general Tech understanding:-

http://www.geocities.com/zeener96/cams.htm

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/articles/hardcore/0606em_camshaft_specs/index.html

http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/techarticles/148_0505_camshaft_basics/index.html

For seeing the effect different camshafts have, as an example:-
http://www.compcams.com/technical/DynoSheets/

This shows different cams used in the same engine. The three numbers on each graph denote total or advertised duration. The 'H' after the 3 numbers means Hydraulic as in tappet or lifter.
The 'HR' denotes Hydraulic Roller (has more lift with same duration compared to 'H')
This is done on an engine dyno which will usually only pull from 2,000rpm or so. You are able to see how the power moves up the rpm axis as duration is increased, to a point where the engine dyno cannot pull the dyno from 2,000 it has to start higher (big loss of low-down power) but hp is increased much higher up.

For street engines you usually look for the maximum amount of torque from as early as possible and for as long as possible. :)

Where do you keep nicking all that info from?
 

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