I am an empty vessel, who needs major help!

inetba

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Overland Park, Kansas.
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94 Accord Wagon
Ok, I have a 1994 Honda Accord station wagon, it is COMPLETELY stock, except there is no speed limiter in the engine right now.
All I know about tuning cars is that I don't know anything, I don't know what a camshaft is, I don't know what Vtec is, you guys say Teg, and I'm like woah woah hold on.

Anyways, my question, I've been challenged to a street race when my friend gets back from college, he has a completely stock '07 mustang GT with a V8.

What do I need to do EXACTLY, to win. Everything in the car is kept in new condition, and I also need to use it as a commuter car. Price is no option, as long as the total is under $15,000.

I'm fed up with him calling my car an old piece of junk not worth the gas I put into it, he's one of those American muscle beats anything types. I want to really really cream him and wipe that smug grin off his face.

I don't want to spend too much, like I said, no more than $15,000. But I dont even know where to start. My only idea so far is to put 91 octane gas, that's how clueless I am, Please help me.
 
Welcome to TorqueCars, hope you enjoy your time here as much as we all do.

Street racing is dangerous and illegal! Don't do it! Get some drag strip time instead and then you'll have the timeslips.

I don't fancy your chances against a V8 Mustang. A supercharged 2.0 Type R engine will help close the gap but you'd still need other mods to match the v8 Mustang.

Uorate your suspension instead and perfect the handling and then take him on in a track day with a short twisty track.;)
 
First of all, compare the speeds and acceleration of the two cars online. Do you have a lot to make up?

Reduce the weight by taking out rear seats, door cards, etc, sort out the handling with a good coilover suspension kit and maybe some strut braces will help unless it's a straight-line race.

Otherwise you'll be looking to eke out power from your motor. Have a look at andysautosport.com for a good air intake and exhaust kit to free up the gas flow. After that, you will be looking at major tuning work. Have a look at somebody like Skunk2 or AEM/DC Sports, both American manufacturers that specialise in Honda tuning. Also pick up DSport or Honda Tuning magazines that are both good for clueing you up on what stuff does and how well it works.

And don't race it on the street: use a private racetrack or go to an organised event. No point killing someone, it takes all the fun out of it and it's just not cool.
 
as for putting an engine in the back,I need the trunk space. I read something online about "h22a"?would that be enough? and if not, what would I have to do to one to even it up, on youtube they seem really fast.
 
Ok looks like a f22a engine - might not be thats whats showing on wiki about 2.2 130bhp around 94, is it non vtec
the compressions quite low on this engine 8.8:1 and would take a supercharger nicely.
other option is to find a intergra and charge that engine and fit it.
 
as waynne said a supercharger would help level the gap a bit.and i do agree with the, take him to a twisty track with better suspention.mustangs do not handle very well.another thing is that fast road cams might help out aswell as a induction kit to help it breathe
 
an the supercharger would most likley give better performance all the way through the rev range as they are belt driven unlike a turbo which is exsaust gas driven. you could get an eaton m90 if your car wouldnt blow up? i dont know if it can handle that kind of power but im sure some one on here will.
 
well, i looked up some stuff and the mustang is a 13.5 second car, but his is an automatic. I don't know how fast a stock station wagon is, but i'll look into the super charger, where could I find one and Im already looking into getting a cold air intake, and a K&N air filter kit. I went out and bought a Cherry bomb turbo muffler, it's cheap but sounds nice, how much would a supercharger cost and would I need to do any body work to fit it. I might get a carbon fibre hood, im getting the suspension. TEIN coilovers, and bucket seats. but I cant remove the rear seats no matter how much I want to because we use my car as the FTV (Friend transport vehicle) because it sips gas.
 
would a 94 civic have the same dimensions as my car in the engine bay? because if so I'll just look at what people have put in their civics since nobody tunes honda station wagons but you see plenty of civics.
 
tbh why dont you just sell the station wagon and get a prelude? would be faster, better looking and handle better. then you can tune that for better results.
 
as above but with a budget of $15000 why dont you look at subarus, mitsubishi evos, nissan skylines or an muscle car instead of tuning an estate ????
 
buy this
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars...727|39:1|65:12|240:1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

or this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars...arms=39:1|65:2|240:1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

now i dont know were you are from. but they are within your price range, so i would ditch the estate(station wagon to you) and get a sporty saloon or coupe.

if he thinks american muscle beats anything you should get some japanese muscle, in the shape of an rx-7, that tuned should easy beat his 'stang. and not tuned would still give him a run for his money and it will handle a lot better aswell.
 
You say money is no object so first of all you should find a tuning garage near by. You have many options for engines. I would personally go for a B18C5. This will give you 195bhp. Uprate the following the cams, pistons and rods.

Then have a cold air feed installed along with uprated air filter. Have a full exhaust system fitted, inlcuded either a sports cat or de-cat. Make sure the manifold is uprated as well. Have some injectors fitted too. Have all of this supercharged then add some nos.

As I understnad it you have a manual so take the transmission from an Integra Type R and have the clutch uprated and have a quick shift gear box fitted.

The car will also need setting up on a full race suspension. A strut brace will also help. Just in case you may want to have a roll cage installed. The brakes will also need upgrading. I would have a Brembo big brake conversion done. Get yourself a set of lightweight rims as well.

Change as much stock body parts as you can for carbon fibre parts. Bucket seats in the front will also be handy to keep you in your seat. I would also add a body kit.

All of this will probably be over your price range though. So make sure you speak to a tuning garage near by and find out what they can do within your budget.

Good luck!
 
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but I cant remove the rear seats no matter how much I want to because we use my car as the FTV (Friend transport vehicle) because it sips gas.


if you want to tune your car to be faster than his it WILL NOT sip gas (uhh,, petrol) anymore, it will be downing the stuff. so really, get a turbo model car tune it then get a switchable map for when you race him.

i say get a switchable map cos then when your just normally driving around it wont use that much fuel but then when you want to race flick the switch and it will use a different timing/boost level/fueling.

use more fuel but you car will be faster
 
Thank you prince, that's the advice I was looking for, I wanted to make my car a "sleeper" so all my friends would think it's still the same honda wagon, but under the hood it would kick ass, that's the advice I was looking for, would a b18c5 fit in my car? if so, that's what I'll go for, and also, I know id need a special transmission to handle that, is there a b18c5 transmission? if not, what transmission should I look for? lastly, what does it mean to uprate the cams and pistons?

and steve, if my car stops sipping gas. I can either charge them to be in my car, or they can use their own.

is there anything wrong with the f20b?
 
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Summit Racing can provide you a Jackson Racing supercharger!!!

Had a look in some of my American magazines last night to find that out for you. Phew, I'm exhausted now. Time for some sleep...
 
Thank you prince, that's the advice I was looking for, I wanted to make my car a "sleeper" so all my friends would think it's still the same honda wagon, but under the hood it would kick ass, that's the advice I was looking for, would a b18c5 fit in my car? if so, that's what I'll go for, and also, I know id need a special transmission to handle that, is there a b18c5 transmission? if not, what transmission should I look for? lastly, what does it mean to uprate the cams and pistons?

sadly, it's an automatic, is it possible to convert to manual though? I've always wanted a manual car! I love em, My friends mustang is also an automatic.

is there anything wrong with the f20b?

The B18C5 engine comes from a Honda Integra Type R, and will fit under your hood. The B18C5 is also a VTEC. Engines are very interchangable in Honda's. It should be a case of having everything swapped over. The transmission can also be taken from an Integra Type R for the auto to manual conversion. This means you will also need a clutch. This isn't impossible, but it is a big job (this is why you'll need to find a tuning garage that can source the parts and fit them).

Uprating the cams and pistons means to change them for better parts. The pistons on the B18C5 should still be ok if not changed, but a set of fast road cams would be handy.

The F20B doesn't have anything wrong with it, but tuning a non-vtec 130 bhp engine to a high power figure (300bhp onwards) will take so much work and it may not even make it that high (it'll struggle to make 250bhp). A 195 bhp vtec engine is a fantastic start and coming from an Integra Type R it has great tuning potential.
 
So I CAN fit a b18c5 in my honda accord without changing the engine mounts? if so, that's what i'm going for. So, how does this sound? B18C5, CP forged pistons, eagle H beam rods, fast road cams (Whatever those are), K&N air filter, I think it was a HKS cold air intake system, Integra type R Manual transmission, and then supercharge all that. and then of course a new tach for the increased revs, bucket seats, brembo brakes, TEIN coilovers, I need to know where to find strut braces, I found front and rear uppers, but I can't find front lower ones. and would a lighter flywheel help? oh, and polyurethane bushings.
Would THAT be able to beat a stock 2007 automatic Mustang GT? If not.... Sigh, back to the drawing board.
 
Mate...that sounds the dog's b******s!! One more thing you may want is an intercooler as it'll as it will get very hot under that hood.

or two :p

and get a cold water sprayer for the intercooler too, helps that little bit more as colder air gets put into the engine.

colder air = more dense = more O2 than warm air = faster running engine
 
alright! tonight I'll start looking up prices and I'll get started right away! I'll keep you guys updated on everything, thanks for all your help, I'm going to blow his stock 'stang away!
 
Ok, I have a 1994 Honda Accord station wagon, it is COMPLETELY stock, except there is no speed limiter in the engine right now.
All I know about tuning cars is that I don't know anything, I don't know what a camshaft is, I don't know what Vtec is, you guys say Teg, and I'm like woah woah hold on.

Anyways, my question, I've been challenged to a street race when my friend gets back from college, he has a completely stock '07 mustang GT with a V8.

What do I need to do EXACTLY, to win. Everything in the car is kept in new condition, and I also need to use it as a commuter car. Price is no option, as long as the total is under $15,000.

I'm fed up with him calling my car an old piece of junk not worth the gas I put into it, he's one of those American muscle beats anything types. I want to really really cream him and wipe that smug grin off his face.

I don't want to spend too much, like I said, no more than $15,000. But I dont even know where to start. My only idea so far is to put 91 octane gas, that's how clueless I am, Please help me.
first of all, welcome

what you can do is 1
send the 15.000 over to me,and il pop him for you ha ha

2
spend 1,000 on heavy drugs to make him sleep for 2 days,buy him a 1 way ticket to cambodia

3 and this is the only choice
get some expert on tuning that car
15,000 would get you a whole new proper rebuild that would make your engiene withstand very big bhp.cams,pistons, supercharger,the lot
not to sure what needs to be done,but for that money,its going to be a proper built beast

your mate should know better than to compare your car against his.
and your worse for taking notice.
i hate people who are like.my car is better than your car
my dad is stronger than your dad,, and so on
that was my mentality when i was 4 years old

so mate on that note,i wouldnt spend 15,000 to prove a point
id buy another, newer car= an evo 7 or sti subaru or somthing jap with around 300 bhp and that should shut him up

plus, if you watch top gear you would see that american v8 are not all that[unless its a rouge mustang v8] then your in trouble;)
best of luck on what ever you decide on anyway, mate
 
I asked my favorite mechanic if he could do it, he said he could but it would cost like four thousand dollars (I think that's like 2000-2500 pounds.) So I asked the transmission shop down the street and he said that it's only possible with nice cars which pissed me off a little because honda's are nice cars. then I asked his manager and he said he wouldn't waste his time doing something like that to any "Piece of junk honda." I was so mad, he called my car a waste of parts, my car looks NEW on the outside. I have never been so insulted in my life. Why are americans so.... I don't even know the word.
 
i think you have 2 major problems going on and both of them have to do with america

1. most americans cant drive a manual so there lots more autos than manuals to begin with.

2. most americans still seen to go with the idea "that theyre aint no substatite for cc". problem is a 5.7 ( think thats 300cc to you ) might only produce 350bhp and it weighs alot more than a 2.0 turbo that can easily produce that and more.

was searching on the vw vortex a while ago for something ( cant remember what it was ) and there was a guy that took the piss outo his wife for buying a TT, laughed at her for buying something so small 1.8 wasnt till hs car had to go into the garage that he needed to use it. changed his mind after that.


have a look for a scrapped intregra that will give you everything you need
 
if your mechanics think that honda are a waste of parts go out and get a acura(usa version of honda) NSX :p

v tasty and that with a super charger would most probably beat his oh so great stang.

they have a live rear axle so an nsx or a prelude would be a good bet for tuning to show him up as they handle pretty good.

plus an nsx just looks so damn sexy :p
 

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