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Do tread patterns really matter

Discussion in 'Wheels, suspension and tyres' started by obi_waynne, 27 June 2012.

  1. obi_waynne

    obi_waynne Administrator Staff Member Moderator

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    In everyday driving does it really matter what tread pattern you select?

    A lot of people are going for directional or assymetric tread patterns but unless you are driving hard and do a lot of high speed manoevering does it really matter?

    Can you notice a difference when you put different tyres on your car?
     
  2. SLEEPER

    SLEEPER Pro Tuner

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    The tread pattern makes NO difference............... untill it rains .

    The tyre compound does and maybe the amount of rubber on the road (less tread as in an 888) but that only counts if/when you are going really silly
     
  3. geraint13

    geraint13 Pro Tuner

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    I thought it only mattered in the wet. Even then you got to be going some.
     
  4. old-git

    old-git Moderator

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    If the trread pattern doesn't matter, why are budget tyres not as good as premium ones? Is it down to the carcas construction rather than the tread design?
     
  5. obi_waynne

    obi_waynne Administrator Staff Member Moderator

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    This is becoming an interesting debate now, is it the pattern or the materials that count?

    Are budget tyres really rubbish? Do premium tyres really last longer and are they better?

    I have long felt that the majority of patterns are there for aesthetic reasons rather than performance ones but I'm happy to be proven wrong?
     
  6. HDi fun

    HDi fun TC ModFather

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    It all counts:- construction, materials and pattern.

    In my opinion pattern is the least important of the three - there is an aspect of fashion at work here. And with CAD and physical modelling it is possible to make many different patterns with similar wet performance.

    Are budget tyres rubbish - yes, in general they are. But some midrange stuff is very good indeed - for example - Barum Bravuris II looks almost identical to a Conti Premium Contact II and drives pretty much as well. But the longevity is tragic in my experience.

    I have a liking for premium tyres, especially from Michelin and Conti. In my experience they do last longer and are superior to to drive on in terms of safety and enjoyment.
     
  7. gwrscoob

    gwrscoob Tuner

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    agree with hdi fun.
    top answer fella! !!
     
  8. HDi fun

    HDi fun TC ModFather

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    Wonder if there's a place in the market for a 'signature' pattern? And I am not being totally silly here.

    Much like you can buy (at great expense) a Marcus Miller signature five string bass how about, say, a Sabine Schmitz signature limited edition Conti Sport Contact tyre?
     
  9. geraint13

    geraint13 Pro Tuner

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  10. HDi fun

    HDi fun TC ModFather

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    you've given this a lot of thought there Paul. Lil. Strange how you went for sabine lol ;)

    It is strange isn't it. Sadly Zooey has no motorsport connection
     
  11. geraint13

    geraint13 Pro Tuner

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  12. Jakeymd

    Jakeymd The Torque Meister

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    Zooey Deschanel?
     
  13. Yugguy

    Yugguy Torque King

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  14. T9 man

    T9 man TC Pro Founder Moderator

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    Well, I have a confession to make! I shall come clean and admit on open forum to buying a set of Goodyear Eagle F1 tyres because I liked the tread pattern in the store :embarrest:
     
  15. SLEEPER

    SLEEPER Pro Tuner

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    I assume you mean the v pattern ones.

    good tyres Would be my first choice if i ever drove the car in the wet
     
  16. T9 man

    T9 man TC Pro Founder Moderator

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    ^^^ It was indeed the V patterned ones!
     
  17. Yugguy

    Yugguy Torque King

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    Supposedly though some tread patterns are better than others at moving water around, so maintaining more contact on the road and preventing aquaplaning.
     
  18. geraint13

    geraint13 Pro Tuner

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  19. HDi fun

    HDi fun TC ModFather

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    That's the idea of any tread pattern. And all tyre makers will claim that their design is the best to date.

    Now that CAD is universal for the virtual modelling of tread patterns and the associated fluid dynamics I pay scant attention to it when choosing a tyre.
     
  20. devd

    devd New member

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    for all i know. treads dont affect handling normally. they only guide water from under the tires to the outside and help prevent what is known as hydrofoil effect. it does happen at higher speeds that the wheels make scant contact with the roads (wet conditions) and a layer of water forms underneath. you're basically driving on water. so there..
     
  21. T9 man

    T9 man TC Pro Founder Moderator

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    Well after reading that I just don't know what to say! :blink::amazed::blink::amazed:
     
  22. geraint13

    geraint13 Pro Tuner

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    Stick with what your happy to pay for. ;)
     
  23. mechkween

    mechkween Torque Junkie

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    Seriously? Sorry Mate firstly i wanted to correct you, there's no such thing as a "hydrofoil effect". What you wanted to say was probably aquaplaning or hydoplaning. Also its not only for guiding water away to prevent but also for noise reduction when the car moves. Michelin Primacy LC is an example. :):)
     
  24. devd

    devd New member

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    well what i was trying to refer to were hydrofoils they are the ski like parts that some speed boats use to travel over water. honest mistake man. but the principle is pretty much the same. also i have no idea how they reduce noise..:blink:
     
  25. mechkween

    mechkween Torque Junkie

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    As a car moves, the roughness of the road surface causes the tyres to vibrate, producing sound waves. This results in a noise typically described as a roar or a rumble. A separate phenomenon involves air being trapped by the advancing tyre. When the air is forced out of the way it causes a noisy ‘shhhh’ or hiss in a process called air pumping.
    Quoting from Michelin's site for the Primacy LC:
    "Thanks to “Silent Rib” Technology
    The shape and distribution of the grooves, gives the intermediate ribs consistent rigidity around the circumference of the tyre. This minimizes any vibrations that cause noise."
    I hope this somewhat explains why treads do matter.
     
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