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Considering an Engine swap on my 406

Discussion in '405/406/407/408 forums' started by Reshan, 1 May 2009.

  1. Reshan

    Reshan Full member

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    Peugeot 406 HDi
    Hi there.....
    I presently have an HDi 2.0 and I wish to swap it to a petrol engine....
    Is it possible, well should be.....:bigsmile:
    and wish to know what additional things that needs to be taken into consideration because I am presently running the late 406 that is in the year 2002 and they are damned electronics....

    wish to know about the electronics also, if BSI need to be changed, thnigs like that....
    and also what are the engines that do fit well in the 406 apart from the stock ones....I means from other car make.....
    wants to have an engine that is moddable and won't deceive me on the road...one that is quick also.....
    that is something that is fully moddable.......

    was considering about the SRi turbo or even please allow me...
    ....the famous :blink::blink: Vtec engine :blink: from honda .......

    because I have heard someone swaping a stock engine of a 406 to a citroen 2000 engine and it realy works well.....

    after that wish to consider modding the petrol engine and do sugggest me some mods that can be done also.........
    thks for reading..........
     
  2. pgarner

    pgarner TC ModFather Moderator

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    Car:
    Octy smoke machine
    welcome to the site.
    starters swapping petrol to diesel. wouldnt bother as its too much work. engine, wiring loom, ECU, fuel tank, fuel pumps, etc,etc,etc.
    youd honestly be cheaper going out and buying the car itself.

    swapping engines between citreon and pug should be easy enough as there the same.
     
  3. turbonutter69

    turbonutter69 TC ModFather Moderator

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    Insignia SRI.
    Mate you got the wrong end of the stick? He wants to swap from diesel to petrol buddy.
     
  4. turbonutter69

    turbonutter69 TC ModFather Moderator

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    Right buddy what sort of budget are you looking at? And also who will be doing the work? Whatever engine you decide to drop in you may want to think about buying a whole car with the engine still in rather than buying bits separate. It will be a monster of a job though so bare this in mind also.
     
  5. pgarner

    pgarner TC ModFather Moderator

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    16,521
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    Still more or less the same amount of work involed. it is possible of course but just about everything will need to be changed
     
  6. Reshan

    Reshan Full member

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    Car:
    Peugeot 406 HDi
    infact what happened, I was a diesel fan but I've seen that they don't revs at too high speed also...
    this is why was thinking about the swap.....
    Presently, I was thinking about the famous MI16 engine from big brother, I mean the 405...
    :D

    Budget isnt a problem a problem in itself as dad will finance that...
    well.....
    Which engine do you think will best suit the 406 with little amount of job to be done....
    I need an engine for performance....
    and I have still not an answer for the ECU thing....
    because that my problem now.....
    from the injectors these a lot of wires that head to the ECU.....
    this is why was wondering more about the ECU......

    and ya...
    can you explain me more about the swapping process.....
    Well why I don't want to buy another car is one thing....
    its because I really love the 406....
    Vry vry nice car....
    only thing is the engine..
    grrrrr...
     
  7. turbonutter69

    turbonutter69 TC ModFather Moderator

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    From:
    Alone in the dark.
    Car:
    Insignia SRI.
    If budget isn't an issue then you have a massive choice. It all depends on how much you want to be spending.
    What are you aiming for here?
    I'm unsure as to what engines actually fit without too much work i'd imagine not many. Doing and engine swap is a massive task there is a whole range of things to consider. You would probably be better buying a car whole as a donor because you will prob need alot of other things off it besides the engine. You may also have to have things custom built too.
    For tunability and power why not source a SR20DET lump from a Nissan 200sx or Pulsar/Sunny GTi-r.
     
  8. Reshan

    Reshan Full member

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    Car:
    Peugeot 406 HDi
    Ok......
    about the support etc...
    will it fit...
    guess that I will nees to change the ECU also....
    ok....
    around how much will it cost and ya does it have the ECU thing....
     
  9. turbonutter69

    turbonutter69 TC ModFather Moderator

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    18,967
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    Alone in the dark.
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    Most engines now days have an Ecu so yes. I have no idea if it will fit or not.
    Who will be doing the swap?
     
  10. Reshan

    Reshan Full member

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    am from mauritius....
    so wii oft for concept car...
    think they are qualified for that job....
     
  11. HDi fun

    HDi fun TC ModFather

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    Car:
    Passat 2.0 TDi
    Stick a 2.2 HDi in it and get it remapped. The engine code is DW12TED4. Alternatively just buy a whole 2.2 HDi 406 and keep the car intact.
     
  12. Reshan

    Reshan Full member

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    Car:
    Peugeot 406 HDi
    HDi fun......
    was looking for something where i could get performance and better acceleration because so far i think dat diesel engines revs at much slower rate than petrol ones....

    anyways.....
    how the 2.2 differs from the 2.0 one....
    and will i get better performance out of it
    because a frnd of mine has a 2.2HDi engine pending which is in vry good state...
    he got it swapped with a vts 2.0 one...really nice...
    this is why....
    consider tht i already have the engine and wish to know some details about that.....
     
  13. HDi fun

    HDi fun TC ModFather

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    Passat 2.0 TDi
    A remapped 2.2 HDi 406 will easily out accelerate a naturally aspirated petrol 2.0 one.

    Mine's running 192bhp with over 320 lbft of torque and it's bloody quick.

    There was, however a 2.0i petrol turbo model for some countries which, I think, was worth 150bhp in standard tune.
     
  14. turbonutter69

    turbonutter69 TC ModFather Moderator

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    Alone in the dark.
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    So then just stick a 2.0i petrol turbo in there then. I really don't see the point in changing one diesel to a slightly bigger diesel. I'd just go for the petrol turbo route. Either way it's gonna be costly but a petrol turbo will grin more grin factor IMO.
     
  15. HDi fun

    HDi fun TC ModFather

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    Car:
    Passat 2.0 TDi
    The 2.2 diesel is very different to the 2.0 litre one. Far more than just 200cc extra swept volume.

    I don't think that the 2.0i turbo petrol will tune as easily as the 2.2 diesel.

    And the diesel will certainly trounce it for in gear shove.
     
  16. turbonutter69

    turbonutter69 TC ModFather Moderator

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    Don't get me wrong HDi I understand what your saying and it has been proved in BTTC for example and WTCC with the Seat Td running and winning. But IMO a petrol engine would be better and I still think it would be more tunable than just about any 2.2 tractor. It may cost a bit more to get those extra ponies but they are there and with the right 2 litre petrol turbo then the limits are only the size of your wallet.
     
  17. HDi fun

    HDi fun TC ModFather

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    What's this tractor business all of a sudden?
     
  18. turbonutter69

    turbonutter69 TC ModFather Moderator

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    :lol: I'm just playin buddy. ;)
    But I was expecting more than a one sentence reply. :amazed: :lol::lol:
     
  19. HDi fun

    HDi fun TC ModFather

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    Car:
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    I know - you should see the 406 Coupe owners' club site :)

    4 cylinder diesels have really got good though. Mine's an overkill one, even for it's 2001/2002 model year origins. PSA set out to change the world's perception of 4 cylinder diesel engines at the time, and succeeded in doing so in my opinion.

    The 2.2 HDi is very different to the 2.0 HDi. Much more than just 200cc extra swept volume.

    It is a twin cam 16 valve engine with twin balancer shafts, hydraulic engine mounts, dual mass flywheel, damper on crank pulley nose, variable vane turbo and even higher fuel pressures than the 2.0 HDi, for example.

    It really is very hard to determine that it's a four cylinder engine, never mind a diesel one. It's the same lump that went in the Jag X type 2.2d.

    Peugeot-Citroen tuned it at a low 136PS from the factory, but still 235lbft was on offer.

    The remap suits it perfectly and gives it sparkling performance without denting fuel economy.

    I know I keep on about midrange acceleration but 0-62mph is easily achieved in under 8 seconds so it's not bad off the line in reality.

    I think it's a good prospect for tuning, you could go further with a hybrid turbo and some extra cooling and get close to 250bhp. Sadly, this all gets very costly, hence my reasons for not bothering.

    No-one who's driven it has exactly complained about the performance, to put it gently. Most are staggered by the massive pull in third, fourth and fifth.
     
  20. Reshan

    Reshan Full member

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    Car:
    Peugeot 406 HDi
    ya..ok...
    heard that the 2.2HDi one was very different one...
    but still my point was to swap from a diesel to a petrol one....
    sp HDIfun...
    you are recomending me to go for the 2.2HDi one...
    or i thought about the V6 3.0 one...for the peugeot 406 coupe..
    will it fit ma pug......
    or should I go for the 2.2HDi one.....
     
  21. HDi fun

    HDi fun TC ModFather

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    Car:
    Passat 2.0 TDi
    The V6 will fit. The later ones are 24 valve units and are lovely.

    A remapped 2.2HDi will outpull a V6 gear for gear but you won't have that lovely V6 snarl.

    Not that the 2.2s are loud. If anything they're too quiet.

    There are stories of V6 petrols being tuned to 250bhp so if you want to spend money then the V6 is for you.

    I actually like having a quick diesel simply for the surprise factor.
     
  22. turbonutter69

    turbonutter69 TC ModFather Moderator

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    I would opt for the V6 petrol myself. And the general rule about bhp is about 100 bhp per litre so in theory you could easily get 300bhp out of the 3.0 V6.
    Slap a couple of Turbo's in there as well and it'll be rapid.
     
  23. HDi fun

    HDi fun TC ModFather

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    You can't just slap a couple of turbos in. It's not quite that simple.
     
  24. turbonutter69

    turbonutter69 TC ModFather Moderator

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    I know this my friend it was just a quick suggestion just to get idea's floating around mate.
     
  25. HDi fun

    HDi fun TC ModFather

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    15,384
    From:
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    Car:
    Passat 2.0 TDi
    If you could set up a 'cross-pollination' twin turbo configuration then you'd have one heck of a car. There's lots of other work besides though. And there's not a lot of room under the bonnet of 406's. Mine's stuffed to the gills and it's only a 4 cylinder model. But ------ as you say, it'sfood for thought.
     
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